tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post6008617493952943332..comments2023-12-28T13:45:10.211-08:00Comments on Three Beers Later...: A SERIOUS LIBERTARIAN QUIZ...richard mcenroehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-70251784013497660102011-08-27T18:16:10.167-07:002011-08-27T18:16:10.167-07:00BTW, thank you all for the courtesy of your respon...BTW, thank you all for the courtesy of your responses.richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-1495214159281677672011-08-15T04:46:56.663-07:002011-08-15T04:46:56.663-07:00(a libertarian society might actually have an EPA)...(a libertarian society might actually have an EPA)RightKlikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04475874038428195332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-28535706734675836042011-08-15T04:42:55.577-07:002011-08-15T04:42:55.577-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDV0YII6lkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDV0YII6lkRightKlikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04475874038428195332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-19991824765979448302011-08-14T19:26:06.101-07:002011-08-14T19:26:06.101-07:00Well, to start with, nothing about libertarianism ...Well, to start with, nothing about libertarianism implies things like "simple easy solution" and/or "do whatever the hell you like." Life is complicated, and there's no such thing as the right to infringe on another. That said ...<br /><br />To get to the bottom of this, we first have to answer the question: "Who owns the river?"<br /><br />Is the river simply next to Larry's property, or does it cross it, making him part owner of the river?<br /><br />Since we're in a libertarian world, Larry is the rightful owner. Obviously then, brothers Lennie and Louie in no way have the right to poison Larry's property. So, just as we do now, Larry would take the brothers to court.<br /><br />Regarding the stacked, corrupt court ... In a libertarian world, Larry would take his case to a competing court system. In fact, most people would. Seriously, who would trust their case to a system known to be corrupt?<br /><br />If Larry still loses his case he could repeal, and he may still end up a loser. But then we have to look at the specific case and decide if his property really was being poisoned. Could he actually prove it? Was his evidence simply circumstantial? Blah, blah, blah ...<br /><br />Of course this is a very brief and condensed explanation, but it'll do considering our format. Natural Rights applies to everything. In other words, there's never a circumstance that requires "a retreat from libertarian principles."theCLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13347161730925465757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-58885442864429044712011-08-14T14:32:21.010-07:002011-08-14T14:32:21.010-07:00Lin this is what I'm saying. Every resolution...Lin this is what I'm saying. Every resolution of this very common real world problem seems to require a retreat from libertarian principles.richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-32403123229020809352011-08-14T13:22:41.860-07:002011-08-14T13:22:41.860-07:00Larry could refile the civil case with a request f...Larry could refile the civil case with a request for a change of venue based on bias. Or he pursue a case based on what Lin stated.<br /><br />Larry would have to burn his Libertarian card though.<br /><br />Deborah LeighAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-13752738040257676172011-08-14T12:47:26.950-07:002011-08-14T12:47:26.950-07:00Government should protect the weak from the strong...Government should protect the weak from the strong. Most streams drain into larger bodies of water. The government agency that should address this is the one that has jurisdiction over everyone who is directly affected. Allowing PCB pollutants to drain into the Mississippi River could cause widespread harm to everyone who uses it for drinking water, irrigation, transportation, and recreation. The issue here seems more national than local. Carcinogens do not recognize state lines. This argument is akin to debating whether local zoning laws regulate the manufacture of chemical weapons.linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09378371835272817142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-26335719560641360462011-08-14T10:42:35.126-07:002011-08-14T10:42:35.126-07:00Or, you could start a feud. Those are ALWAYS fun.Or, you could start a feud. Those are ALWAYS fun.robothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08432499902023367695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-26733409083351287572011-08-14T10:40:03.552-07:002011-08-14T10:40:03.552-07:00Then I would say those libertarians are not as lib...Then I would say those libertarians are not as libertarian as they espouse and it's time to relocate to friendlier, healthier surroundings. That, or run for office. :)robothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08432499902023367695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-6138594105633330742011-08-14T10:36:09.354-07:002011-08-14T10:36:09.354-07:00MNRobot -- I agree you don't have the right, b...MNRobot -- I agree you don't have the right, but what is your recourse when 50%+1 of your neighboring libertarians disagree?<br /><br />What is the libertarian resolution for a corrupt judge or a jury of libertarians that put their self-interest over that of the plaintiff or defendant?richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-39198407481930761012011-08-14T08:56:22.025-07:002011-08-14T08:56:22.025-07:00Side comment: "what level of constraint upon ...Side comment: "what level of constraint upon the individual, and what means of imposing that constraint, would be tolerated?"<br /><br />If we don't right the direction our ship of state is heading, I think we are about to find out the hard way.robothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08432499902023367695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-51755221858998453862011-08-14T00:12:13.047-07:002011-08-14T00:12:13.047-07:00One does not have the right to destroy someone'...One does not have the right to destroy someone's property, even if it is downstream from your libertarian factory. The only recompense should come through he courts. Absent the courts, you have vigilante justice, which is not justice at all. Natural law does not grant one permission to destroy the property of another. If I'm misunderstanding Libertarianism, I wish someone would let me know, because this argument seems like chasing one's tail.robothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08432499902023367695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-130263793667055132011-08-13T21:15:16.885-07:002011-08-13T21:15:16.885-07:00Let me clarify my question: In a libertarian soci...Let me clarify my question: In a libertarian society, what appeal does Larry HAVE if the personal and property rights of the individual are paramount. Is Roarke allowed to blow up his building only if the boom doesn't bother his neighbors?<br /><br />While I realize a purely libertarian society is no more possible than a purely socialist or purely democratic one, what level of constraint upon the individual, and what means of imposing that constraint, would be tolerated?richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7074368219201555953.post-82641087009673978792011-08-13T21:04:41.058-07:002011-08-13T21:04:41.058-07:00Interesting question, Richard. I've had a few ...Interesting question, Richard. I've had a few beers, so I'll bite. - Appeal to the higher court, or move. <br /><br />The scenario you paint, while unfortunately realistic, is a poor example of libertarian thought. A corrupt township is a corrupt township, no matter what political affiliation. Everyone, even libertarians or democrats must still agree to abide by at least some restrictions on what is released into the public domain otherwise the rule of law is null and void. I am not for the wanton degradation or bespoilment of another persons resources or property. IMO, this case is clearly one which should and would be appealed. - Now, what am I missing? :)robothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08432499902023367695noreply@blogger.com